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elizabeth "daddy kink" comstock ([personal profile] baptizer) wrote2016-07-25 10:41 am

week 8 | monday morning (super early)

[ Elizabeth doesn't think Jason needs to know why she left his room. It was... PG 13, okay. Nothing happened, but she definitely requested to stay in his room after a few nightmares plagued her. He was one of the few people she could trust and after his last adventure? She's keeping an eye on him when he can't.

HA.

Anyway.

Elizabeth had foregone her pajamas, dressed more for the rest of the day. She's stealthy, waiting for anyone who passes her to go on. She's by Jack's room, a sturdy knock without announcing herself.

It had to still be odd. She looked older - tormented by her own guilt with her hair cut short and skin more exposed. This wasn't the little girl he had saw so much "potential" in. ]
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-26 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
[ So, her last words are probably a better timed thing than she expects. That frightening, desperate determination is quick to fade when Elizabeth's words come out so barbed. He had called himself a monster first to acknowledge it, and yet, it still wasn't complete. He never really felt that it was the truth. So Angel not needing a monster for a father cuts deep, just as Elizabeth had surely intended. For many people, he'd absolutely react with the sort of vicious anger that had led to Rhys's death, but for Elizabeth, his response is much more muted.

The confidence fades, and he ends up bowing his head forward as he reaches to run a hand through his hair. He's not sure how to respond, not really, because it's not often that someone stands up to him and he doesn't feel the need to kill them for that kind of defiance. It might mean she has a point, but... He decides he can think on that later. Once Angel is alive again. ]


Yeah, that-- That won't happen again.

[ It couldn't, honestly. No one else has anything that would pull out that kind of rage. ]

Only time I'll be using my gun again? I'll be way more certain that I'm pointing it at one of them.
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-27 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
[ He can see that she doesn't buy it, not really. There's something minutely upsetting about that, but as always, it's covered up by that easy, blanket justification. She doesn't understand that it's what he had to do. She never will. He sighs, thinking that it's the end of that part of the conversation, but she keeps the door open instead of closing it, much to his surprise.

Jack looks to her, though it's brief, since he's looking away thoughtfully almost as soon as she asks. There's a lot he could say. He knows that she's waiting for something he can say to bridge that kind of gap, and always a quick thinker, many things come to mind. But he pauses, because he wants to pick the right one. If there's one of those options that could get her bitterness to fade, that's the one he wants, but ultimately, he doesn't know. Maybe he can't make it fade. Maybe, he's starting to think, he'll never be able to put the words together right so that Elizabeth can understand that there was no other choice.

But if nothing else, he thinks that he would like Elizabeth to understand at least one thing. ]


—She wasn't always locked up.

[ His words are careful as he starts, since this is something that Jack never speaks of. Even people he knows very well, loves, they never hear about this. But that care comes from something else too. Even as Jack thinks on this and how to explain it, there are gaps that he can't fully reach out to grasp. Whether they were never there in the first place or they're just bugs in his programming, it's when he thinks on a subject like this that he remembers most what he truly is. Even so, it's a strange disconnect that he denies at every chance. Objectively he may know he's not Handsome Jack, not truly, he still has so much of what made that man who he was. But still, that disconnect is something he wants to hide, because he feels the objective truth here didn't matter so much as his perception. ]

I dunno if you know about them-- No, probably not. But, there are people in the universe born with powers. Kind of-- I mean, think yours is different, but they can do impossible stuff like it seems like your powers can. It's why I asked about tattoos, actually. Thought for a second you might be one of them. But these people, we call them Sirens. There can only be six of them in the universe at any time, and they're born, not made, kiddo. My daughter, she's one of them. What they can do, it's all different, but-

[ Jack actually laughs here, and though it's short, it's fond. Proud, even. ]

Yeah, kiiiiind of ironic, like the universe is probably laughing its ass off here, but my Angel? Her powers let her work with tech like nothing I've ever seen. I'm amazing with tech, but my little girl, it's as natural for her as breathing. I mean-- I mean, if Angel could get into this station, we'd be en route back to wherever we all wanna go within a minute. Alice wouldn't stand a friggin' chance.

But like I said. They're born. Not made. And incredibly rare, even if they all end up on Pandora for some goddamn reason. So... It's not the kind of thing you find a mentor for. So far-- So far as I can figure, you just gotta learn how to use it yourself. But, I dunno, easier said than done.

[ This is where the story gets hard, clearly, but also... Less distinct. It's just an impression, a set of feelings about an event, but he can't recall them with any detail at all. He doesn't remember what happened, since that memory was never there for him in the first place. ]

Couldn't control it. Angel, she was just a kid. Little kid. And she killed her mom. My wife. I watched, and there was nothing I could do about it. And after? She didn't really understand what she'd done. I-- I don't know if she even really remembered it? But she would ask for her mom. She didn't understand what'd happened. And I tried for a while to just try and make sure it wouldn't happen again, but-- Y'know, I couldn't. I'm just a normal guy, and against a Siren, I've got no chance. So I at least made her a place where she'd be safe from other people, because there are a lot of people that want to get their hands on a Siren. But... also to make sure that my kid wouldn't become a murderer. And, you know, funny thing about that is? I've killed more people than I can count to make sure of that.

But one day, she won't need to stay locked up anymore. I mean, she'd been helping me get to that point where it would be safe for her, and for a hell of a lot of people. At least, well. That was the plan. Sounds like it didn't turn out like that at all in the end.

[ He sits up a bit straighter, taking a large sip of his coffee first. There are parts of the story he leave out, of course. Some of them intentionally, like just how much Vaults play into this story, but others not. It's the extent of his delusion that he doesn't even think about parts of this story: about Angel and Eridium, about the atrocities he'd committed that had nothing to do with it with a smile on his face, and so much more than that. Handsome Jack is the hero of the story, and in the real world, a hero doesn't just gloss over hard choices. In his mind, these don't come up at all, since they're just pieces of pain to pave the way for a greater good. They're irrelevant.

And that's where his charisma is so deep-seated. Even when Jack so obviously shows how insane and unhinged he is, there are the moments like this, the reasons and justifications that make him frighteningly human. ]


So... I just want you to know that. You can disagree. I mean, I'm not gonna lie here, it gets me pretty riled up, because, yeah, hard decision to make. Asshole decision to make. But I had to do it.

[ There's another pause, but this one is longer. Jack truly seems to be thinking over his words here, but when he speaks, they're nothing short of sincere. ]

Family-- That's important to me, Liz. And Angel most of all, because, man, it's the hardest thing in the world to explain, but the way I feel about my kid... It's not like anything else. I love her. With all my heart. And if you're giving me a chance to speak, yeah, that's what I want to get across.
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1/3...

[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-29 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
[ As he'd started to explain the story, Jack had quickly decided for himself that her reaction didn't actually matter too much. It was probably just a way to protect himself, because these memories pull out something vulnerable, even for him who they don't truly belong to. So, why explain it? It's a question he's wondering even as he's speaking. He doesn't have to open up these wounds or feel that incredible heaviness again when he speaks of the deaths that he does feel grief over, because as he looks at Elizabeth's calm, if uncomfortable demeanor, he knows he won't change her mind. He probably knew that when he started explaining.

But he hates it. He hates when people look at him like he's a monster when they know about Angel, because he knows exactly what they're thinking. He's a father that doesn't love his daughter. He's doing something wrong to her, as if he had other choices. So that really is just it. He'll open those wounds again, because at least one person should know just how much he loves his daughter.

Of course, he's not capable of looking outside of his own perception here. He is doing something wrong. Many things wrong. But to his dying breath, he'll never understand it.

So when Elizabeth says there are "other ways," Jack's brow knits together, because he knows he hadn't explained it as well as he'd like. His explanation was supposed to provide that context and understanding to know that he had no other choice here-- But as has been the case in his adult life, things he'd never even imagined have a way of providing new doors. ]
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-29 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
[ The strain on her face gets that knit of his brow to change for a moment into concern, but it's short-lived. He's never seen her power before, after all, and so when that tear opens, there's nothing short of shocked wonder on his face. His attention is immediately gone from Elizabeth, and really, her words are almost like an echo with how enthralled with the scene before him he is. He stands, as if that motion would help him better understand what he's seeing here.

She must be a Siren or something like that. Jack is so sure of that when he looks at this picture, because even if each Siren's power manifests differently, the impossible becomes possible at their fingertips. It's a complex thing he feels in those brief moments where he looks at the image of the parlor, a mix of desperate hope and vicious ambition, but regardless, he knows this for what it is: possibility. ]


Jesus—

[ He murmurs out that word in wonder, but a moment after, the echoes of her words feel like they're catching up with him. His mind is quick to race, because Jack has always been a quick, decisive thinker, even when faced with the impossible. And boy, does Elizabeth talk of the impossible here. She's talking of other worlds, other universes, a place where Angel is still alive-- And, dangerously, Jack can't help but think that perhaps in one of those universes, his paradise exists. She's waiting for him, Elizabeth says, and he looks to her then even though it takes a great effort to tear his gaze from that portal.

In his gaze, it's clear to see that he believes her. It might be strange, because surely most people would have questions, and yet Jack's belief and trust in what Elizabeth tells him is absolute. Of course there's a universe where paradise exists. There's a universe where he's a hero. Where he's Angel's hero.

And he'll do anything to grasp that reality, even if it's by its very throat. He's just as certain of that too. ]
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-29 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
[ She brings up Rhys, and nothing in his expression changes, but what comes after, that prompts a change.

He's standing, clearly full of the sort of hopeful energy that makes Jack such a driven, ambitious person, but her threat paradoxically gets him to relax. His hand comes to rest on the surface of the desk, and the other surely would too, if it were there. The transition isn't immediate, but a sort of slow, easy one as that blind excitement cools visibly in how his posture loosens up, how his expression relaxes. His ambition is tempered by her threat, though whether that's a good or a bad thing isn't clear. ]


...Betrayal, that's a hell of a thing, isn't it?

[ It's probably not what she was expecting to hear, and in truth, it's probably very strange, since there's no basis for that topic that Elizabeth would know. ]

Changes you. 'Cause y', y'see, really opens your eyes, makes you more than what you were. And I'm seeing that now, kiddo. You— [ He points at her as he starts to move from around the desk, though the gesture would almost seem threatening with how suddenly calm he is. ] You mean it. Your offer, but also your threat here. And I get it, I do. Because, hell, probably pretty obvious by now, but I've been stabbed in the back so many times that it might as well be the equivalent of a handshake. So, yeah. I'm seeing that in you, now.

[ Jack walks to the bathroom, just stepping inside for a half-second to grab a face towel. He walks to Elizabeth and offers it to her, a kind gesture for the blood dripping out of her nose. But there's almost a weight to it, because his expression is the sort of calm that's dangerous from Jack. Maybe now, for the first time, he's not seeing her as someone he can project his hopes and ideals for his daughter onto. ]

But, hey, friendly advice here, Liz. You don't want to make an enemy outta me. Don't think I need to explain why, in this case. But I'm also not gonna convince you otherwise. That's what you decide? All right. Cool. In that case? I'll give you the challenge that I give everyone out to kill me.

[ Maybe now, Jack is seeing Elizabeth for the first time. ]

Come and get me, Elizabeth.
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-29 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Unbeknownst to both of them, there's something missed here that neither of them could possibly be aware of.

Ultimately, the person before Elizabeth isn't who he's presenting himself as. Not really. He's a program made to copy the real thing, and so there's natural nuance lost. It's impossible to recreate an entire person's psyche, even though this AI was certainly a technological marvel that was very close to such a feat. He's made up of memories written in data, of impressions of feeling and sensation that he'd never truly felt, and so in that, the AI truly believes himself to be Handsome Jack, even in the face of the objective truth that he's not. Like a hero from an epic, he was simply the next stage, the grand return from death, because a true hero wasn't meant to be cowed or stopped.

And yet, he's always partial. Incomplete.

There's a nuance here that's missed, because for all of Jack's bravado, these words would be posturing from the real man. Daring someone he cares about to challenge him is a convenient fix, since it's a way for him to close off and compartmentalize how he feels about them. If they want to kill him for what he's done, then so be it. He'll be their enemy. But it's also that man's way to ask without ever having to admit his perceived weakness that he doesn't want that path. For Jack, this sort of posturing was meant to be the last outstretched hand.

But for the AI, Elizabeth is right. It's his own ego, because that was the way Jack always wanted this kind posturing to come off. "Defy me, and I'll kill you," not "think about what you're doing, since I don't want you to be my enemy." The words that the AI speaks are all correct, but his reasonings for saying them are a shadow of the man that would say them. People are never so simple that a lifetime of experience that shapes every decision could be converted into code. It's a small nuance because of the brilliance of who made him. In fact, it doesn't change the course of the conversation. But— ]


Mean something?

[ The posturing drops quickly in surprise so sharp that it would almost be like she'd struck him. Insulting and teasing him is expected, as is that fiery, almost hateful (so far as he sees) it gaze. Even her tears don't move him, because he's the sort of monster that will stare into the eyes of someone begging for their life and torture them to death. That's the frame of mind he's moving into here. That is why being Handsome Jack's enemy is so dangerous.

But, she doesn't take the path he expects, and so that track that he was starting to head down in his mind shifts. He says nothing more, only listens as she explains her freedom and the cost that it took to grasp it. It's not what he expected at all, in the end. He's seen her as so innocent that it sparks a sort of fatherly instinct in him, but-- He was mistaken, at least partially. He recognizes that, and again, that idealistic image of Elizabeth starts to be stripped away.

It's not a bad thing, though. He's seeing her as a person, not an ideal. So for Jack, that's both a far better and far worse place to be. For Jack to truly see you as a person, it means you matter to him, for better and for worse. It's never simply an "or" with him. Her story gets the bravado to shift away, like you can see how her words sink in to him as a physical thing. ]


Elizabeth...

[ He says her name softly, still showing his surprise openly. There's a certain tone to his voice that makes it clear. He accepts her words, because how could Jack not? Even as impressions, the surprise of this acceptance is meaningful.

But.

The meaning in them is what makes that difference in the nuance much more distinct than any failing in the program otherwise. It may not matter at all. Or it may eventually lead to this Jack doing something that the other would not.

So, which will it end up being?

It'll probably be quite a while before Elizabeth finds out the answer.

The undercurrent goes unnoticed, because Jack steps forward, pauses, hesitates, then so long as she lets him, he'll take a seat on the couch next to her. There's space left between them, but the point is that he's not standing over her, and there's not a desk as a barrier between them. ]


You've gotta be shitting me. You're—

[ He pauses again, uncertain, then runs a hand through his hair, like her statement unsettles him or makes him nervous. He's trying to pick out what to say here, but it ends up being brief, though not simple. ]

No, you're-- You're not actually trying to screw me over here. You're actually, what, concerned? About something like that?
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-07-31 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
[ As her hand moves to her thigh, Jack's eyes flicker to follow. It's not a gesture he misses, and it's one that he clearly reads, knowing that she, too, is armed, but he does nothing about it. His gaze drifts up to meet hers for a moment, as if saying I know, but he looks forward again without saying a word. Maybe he's not surprised. Maybe he doesn't particularly care or find her to be a threat. It's not clear, but that's nothing new.

And especially not when Jack laughs as he listens to her.

It's strange to hear words like this, because he understands their context and knows where they come from, but it's also like hearing something completely foreign. Religion has its place, and there's religion steeped in the way he talks, but he has very little belief. Belief in God, in sin, in the afterlife, it never quite suited him. And it certainly didn't suit him as he was now. Her words ring a bit hollow as a result, because the urgency she feels for belief isn't something that Handsome Jack ever felt. The extent of his wondering was his certainty that if there was something beyond, his place would certainly be below rather than above. He at least had the self-awareness for that, if not much else. ]


That's— I dunno. Surprising? I guess it's surprising.

[ He sounds uncertain, then reaches up to run a hand through his hair as he bows his head forward slightly. Which, his hair is definitely a mess by now with how many times he's done this, just an observation. ]

Y'wish the same for me, but... Kiddo, I'll be honest. Not that I have any problems with that, don't get me wrong, but, hey, I know the shit I've done doesn't exactly get you a ticket into heaven. 'Cause that's the deal. I'm not the kinda guy that wants to die to get to paradise. I'll bring it here with my own two hands. My personal heaven-- I'm gonna make it.

[ His brow knits together slightly, and he exhales a frustrated noise, like he's having trouble finding his words or expressing himself. Jack wants to reach out, to place his hand over hers as a gesture of sincerity, but he holds back. She doesn't trust him enough for that. He knows it. Whatever is on her thigh is proof enough of that. ]

—Okay. Probably kind of got off point there. Definitely. But what I want to get at, just to be blunt? ...Thank you. That's-- If you can care about me, then that's, well. It's a lot. I know that's not easy to give, 'specially when you hate what I've done, but. Means a lot, Elizabeth. That's what I'm trying to say here.
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[personal profile] refactor 2016-08-02 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Jack's smile falters, not quite a waver of confidence, but just realizing that his words hadn't hit their mark at all. To him, his words are nothing short of the sort of inspiration that drives the fervid loyalty to him. No matter what he's done, it's simply a fact that there a countless people that hear this kind of message and take it to heart. He was a violent usurper, but none of his predecessors as CEOs had been able to do what he had. None of them had been able to make Hyperion the most powerful company on this side of the universe.

People believed that he would bring paradise. He believed it. It wasn't something to fear, so why does Elizabeth look so afraid? ]


Woah, hey, hey...

[ Despite knowing better, he's too physical of a person, and he moves without really thinking here. He reaches out with his hand towards her face, since it's the sort of automatic gesture that comes with seeing her eyes fill with tears. ]

I'm not-- Listen.

[ Whether she rejects that touch or not, he pulls his hand away regardless, though it's with a frown. ]

Regardless of anything else? So far as I'm concerned, you're on my team, Liz. I look out for my team, okay? So-- So you're not gonna regret it. I... [ He pauses uncertainly, still seeming slightly confused by why she's upset, but when he speaks again, it's with much more certainty. ]

I don't want you to regret it. Trust me on that, at least.